there one about karl rove i was telling you about, joe. the e-mails reveal his key role in the 2006 firings of u.s. attorneys. a two-year effort. a heated moment as senator arlen spect specter's town hall meeting. >> i think this helps him in philadelphia. i think it helps him among democrats that aren't sure whether they trust this guy or not. this is good for arlen specter politically, i think. >> you take a look at that photograph on the front page of "the new york times," you have this angry guy in his face and specter's facing the guy. you pay for publicity like that. i mean, confronting people who are angry and asking you questions, well, specter he did it pretty badly the last time they were all yelling at him. he went right back in the arena. he comes off pretty well in these confrontations. >> that's what the president should have done. >> it's live tv. that's why we're covering it. >> and, again, a lot of people concerned -- even the president yesterday concerned that maybe it was too staged. he kept asking, want iing tough quest